Re: Religion Thread

by ACN45trooper Mon 11 Nov 2013 - 5:05

Well, ok, I think there are considerably more things I agree than that I disagree, so: Catholic (80%) Atheist (20%)

by Golden Dragon Mon 11 Nov 2013 - 5:11

Well we really can't decide our allegiances with numbers eh.... Very Happy

by ACN45trooper Mon 11 Nov 2013 - 5:24

You know bro? you're right, who had the idea of percentages?

by Golden Dragon Mon 11 Nov 2013 - 5:37

It was me I believe grinning

. It was quite foolish now that I think of it but it was the best description I could come up with that time.

by Even Fri 15 Nov 2013 - 1:15

As another Roman Catholic myself, I think it's justified to feel it, ACN45Trooper... It's "normal" in a big organisation to have some people mess up, and when that happens, people outside of it will look at that bad thing more than they do the good things...

by ACN45trooper Fri 15 Nov 2013 - 8:26

Yeah, most of the people see that. I am saying some thing different?

by **Pepp** Fri 22 Nov 2013 - 0:41

Is there someone else there who is against the idea of turning Hagia Sophia back as a mosque? I myself prefer it is destroyed to ground (haha, I love V) than seeing it back to a 'meh' Muslim building. There are just too much mosque in this little city. Also, most Turks are atheist or at least cares not about religion, so why do they need new mosque?

by **peugeot407** Fri 22 Nov 2013 - 6:06

Not true. 93% of Turks are practicing Muslims. Just because most of them believe in Secularism doesn't mean they are Atheists...

I also don't mind at all, to be honest. The Parthenon was once built as a temple complex, yet now it is nothing much more than a tourist attraction; buildings don't necessarily have to retain their function over time, and in this particular place, there isn't even a considerable change of function. The Hagia Sophia was built as a place of worship, and if it will become a place of worship again, I don't see how that changes things. It's even dedicated to the same God as when it was built, albeit as part of a different religion...

peugeot407

by Maestrosanti Fri 22 Nov 2013 - 6:16

Pepp wrote:Is there someone else there who is against the idea of turning Hagia Sophia back as a mosque?

If you saying this because it used to be a Mosque, then it sould be an Orthodox church.

by **Pepp** Fri 22 Nov 2013 - 11:26

What I am really afraid about is actually the value of the precious Byzantine arts inside it. The last time Ottomans turned it to a mosque, they plastered all mosaics... You know, art. T.T

by Maestrosanti Sun 24 Nov 2013 - 1:01

Pepp wrote:The last time Ottomans turned it to a mosque, they plastered all mosaics... You know, art. T.T

That's really sad Sad

by **Pepp** Sun 24 Nov 2013 - 3:04

Well, not until an earthquake destroyed Istanbul and scratched out the plasters.

by Gohar Sun 24 Nov 2013 - 3:15

hi guys,
Firstly I am really pleased by Nero, I wish people would understand that muslims are not terrorists also I'm really happy that you are not racist in religion because sadly a lot of Muslims hate Jews and as far as I know a lot of Jews hate Muslims (I personally believe one should not be hated based on religion but rather how good or bad the person himself is)

Second, Allah is not a moon god, Allah actually is simply God (of all things)

Thirdly, I wouldn't completely agree to the chart because I believe the root is monotheism (all people worshipped one God), then beliefs varied with time between groups of humans. Then some of the people started worshipping the surroundings and other people due to weakening of faith (I dont mean to be offensive or label someone as wrong, just telling my opinions). Then some people completely stopped believing in God and did not accept the thought of worshipping other things and became atheists.

Also, regardless of what the truth is, all people should live and let live in unity and peace Smile

by **peugeot407** Sun 24 Nov 2013 - 4:53

I think it's funny how most antisemitism among Muslims doesn't have its roots in theological disagreement, but in geopolitics...

peugeot407

by Gohar Sat 30 Nov 2013 - 0:57

Interestingly, Muslims believe that Islam, christianity and the religion of Jews (I think its called Judaism) are related.

Muslims even consider and term Christians and Jews as "Ehlulkitaab" (People of the book) as we believe that Christians and Jews were revealed the true message of God but it was distorted/corrupted by people over time.
Islam teaches Muslims to respect and live peacefully with people including Christians and Jews, but as I have said numerous time that very few Muslims actually follow Islam as it was taught by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
Also, its nice to see that there is peacefully discussion going on rather than fights and debates Smile

by Gohar Sat 30 Nov 2013 - 0:58

Also peugeot407, what does this mean:
Sola Scriptura. Sola Fide. Sola Gratia. Solus Christus. Soli Deo Gloria?

by **peugeot407** Sat 30 Nov 2013 - 2:53

They're the "Five Solas" that were the basis of the Protestant Reformation. In order, they translate to "Only the Bible. Only faith. Only grace. Only Christ. Glory only to God". All of them are responses to Catholic doctrines of the time that the Reformers disagreed with, such as indulgences, reverence of saints, and the supposed authority of the Pope.

peugeot407

PS: Please don't double-post. If you have something new to add and nobody has posted since your last post, simply edit that post instead.

by Gohar Sat 30 Nov 2013 - 7:27

ok thanks

by **Pepp** Sun 1 Dec 2013 - 0:28

We Catholics are actually agreed on the later two, which are Solus Christus and Soli Deo Gloria. The rest, we have our own doctrines.

Pepp, or recently called Susan

by **iliander** Sun 1 Dec 2013 - 4:20

Pepp wrote:Pepp, or recently called Susan

why???

by **Pepp** Sun 1 Dec 2013 - 17:22

I like the song, so I sing the song everyday and my friends start calling me Susan (with double 's' in the middle).

by **peugeot407** Mon 2 Dec 2013 - 0:35

Actually, I'd say the modern Catholic Church has very much retained its stance on Soli Deo Gloria, as veneration of the saints and the authority of the Pope are still very much intact. The purveyance of good works as a means to salvation also hasn't completely disappeared within the Catholic Church, even though it's now less prominent than it was in 1550, so I suppose Sola Gratia also still marks a difference between Protestantism and Catholicism, and the same goes for Sola Fide, as the Catholic Church still preaches that salvation can be administered through the sacraments, and does not necessarily depend on faith alone. Sola Scriptura is debatable, as while Papal bulls still sway a lot of authority in the Catholic Church, they are arguably now seen as inferior to the Bible, something that definitely wasn't the case at the time of the Reformation.

So really, the only one of the Five Solas that has also become Catholic Doctrine is Solus Christus. Unless, of course, one were to put the Priesthood of All Believers as part of this Sola, in which case the Catholic Church is still very much in disagreement with it, although the Church of England also shares that disagreement, yet is a Protestant church...

peugeot407

by **iliander** Tue 3 Dec 2013 - 0:14

You do realize the bible is against porn, fapping, sex without love, and homosexuality right?

are you a true christian Rob?

by Maestrosanti Tue 3 Dec 2013 - 0:39

It's funny the bible prohibits male homosexuality, but says nothing against lesbianism really.

by **iliander** Tue 3 Dec 2013 - 0:57

Maestrosanti wrote:It's funny the bible prohibits male homosexuality, but says nothing against lesbianism really.

“Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”

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